'post rock' discussion

[diesel]

metal post rock explain?

[SpaceIsThePlace]

post rock heavily influenced by metal. mostly instrumental, with the same kind of dynamics and ebb and flow feel but a lot more crushing with use of distortion and metal riffs.


here's pelican's myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu ... ID=8066086

i recommend their albums the fire in our throats will beckon the thaw and australasia


Isis im not that familiar with. I live with a kid who used to be really heavily into them. they have vocals that are very metal but have a very dreamy, submerged vibe to all of their songs.

http://www.myspace.com/sgnl05

[SpaceIsThePlace]

Also related to the post-rock tip, anyone here into math rock? as we continue to divide music into more and more arbitrary, snidely named genres.

as wikipedia puts it: Math rock is a style of rock music that emerged in the late 1980s. It is characterised by complex, atypical rhythmic structures, stop/start dynamics and angular, dissonant riffs.

dig it:

hella: originally a guitar and bass duo. fast furious angular riffing and tapping. they just put out a new album, expanded from a duo to a 5 piece that sounds like mars volta which imho is not so good.

don caballero: fucking awesome. angular riffs as before, pummeling drums but a tortoise-ish feel. extended songs, fake jazz.

BATTLES: math rock super group: members of don caballero, helmet, and anthony braxton's son (!). FUCKING AMAZING. very electronic sounding. if you dig BOC this may or may not be down yr alley, much more upbeat but live instrumentation. Amazing live.

[hoby]

Also related to the post-rock tip, anyone here into math rock?

Early '80 King Crimson with Fripp, Belew, Levin, Bruford.

Fathers of math rock?
Maybe.

"Discipline" (their first album) one of the most important records of the decade?
Quite possibly.

[Colin]

i dont know what math rock is... but mute math came to mind

looking for new music?

one word,
PAJO

[diesel]

any of you guys heard the new caspian?

[Colin]

love caspian's stuff. its pretty similar to TWDY but i like it a lot more.


north is really good too

[Colin]

two boston trts shows in one day. museum of fine art

trts.com

[nathan q]

wow. Don Caballero and Pelican in a Slip message board. I've died and gone to internet heaven. I guess if you stick these all in a stew for a few days, the muck you'll be left with is what you might call "post-rock" but that tends to bore me. If you want slow, moody, dark and beautiful, the best thing to check out is Earth, old friends of Nirvana from seattle. http://www.myspace.com/earthofficial
And if you like the math rock, I'm in sort of a math rock band. We haven't played in awhile, but we will someday, and when we do, nobody will notice. But you can taste the fame at http://www.myspace.com/omegacokemirror
Also, has anyone heard of a band called Low? I would like to hear more of/about them.

[tyler]

Low is alright. some decent songs, but I find them too boring to sit through an entire album of theirs. Also they opened for Wilco both times I saw them and were a horrendous live band, but something tells me they're not really an outdoor amphitheatre type band anyway.

if I am in the mood for dark, brooding, lyrical music, nothing beats Red House Painters.

[Colin]

i really like the twilight sad. falls into the indie/post rock category with vocals.

i guarantee you'll love it too, as long as you don't hate scottish accents...

[SpaceIsThePlace]

earth is amazing! have you heard the last album- the quasi western sounding post rock-y album, the name escapes me at the moment. bill frisell is supposed to play on the next one!

[Phrazz]

Ho!

[couldn't resist, talking about math rock an' all...]

KC might be some father(s) of math rock, but noone
should underestimate the monumental influence of
Mr. Frank Zappa. He's been called Art Punk Rock
and many other things, but definitely some math
and rock heavily interwined there, from my view.



As for other band suggestions, I've also heard great
things about PAJO, but haven't seen them yet. I'll put
these band on the radar and hope to see some of them
or at least pick up some CDs. I also like Low and some
other bands like them. Slipsters seem to have a fairly
deep experience in certain genres.

How is math rock like jazz?

-Phrazz

[nathan q]

If you mean hibernaculum, then no, and I want to more than I want most things from life. Hex or Printing in the infernal method was before that and sort of in the same direction, and actually sounds alot like frisell at times. I've listened to that more than any other album, according to iTunes.
Math rock is like jazz in its respect for subtle and sometimes needlessly complex rhythms. To my knowledge, that's the only inherent similarity, except for the fact that both are really great ways of music. Jazz and rock can both be mathy at times, but so could bluegrass, I suppose, although I have yet to hear it. I think it has to do with having a sense of humor about how much energy you put into complexity. Everyone knows that math is ultimately a hopeless tail-chase, so why not exploit this fact for the purpose of making stupid songs with quirky names?